/int/ - International

>>27314 >but the boss told Bernd at 3pm in the afternoon What a fucktard. I'm so glad the times where i had to give in to this typ of fuckery are over. >>27314 >providing computing services to local medical institutions. We did some medical adjacent services too. Would heavily advice against it, because its really not funny when some alarming system breaks because of shit hardware that is used for elderly people.

>>27326 >>27325 also medical software is infamous for having terrible code (certification requirements making it paradoxically hard to fix things after the fact)

>>27327 Does the certification require the code to be written in a particular terrible way? Or is it just that you aren't allowed to maintain it? I only know how terrible medical software is from a user's view. And yup, I have never seen more terrible software, actually.

>>27330 I never wrote any myself but talked to a dude who wrote diagnostic devices but first of all you don't change a device that's been shipped and second is as a knock on effect they just never fix anything, culturally. In principle you could but nobody wants to deal with that paperwork.

>>27330 Which has the funny knock on effect that a radiologist I know went "yeah in principle AI could be useful to us and automate 20% of our work, but I'd rather just have my medical scanner's control software not crash every hour"

>>27351 >nobody wants to deal with that paperwork. Considering tHe time and amount of money it takes to get stuff medically certified, thats a understandable, to a certain degree.

Gonna get a job offer by the Arbeitsamt this week. Cool. I'm gonna be trapped inside the institution that I hate, constantly reminding me how I won't get a job after I studied and learned the entire fucking Adobe Cloud.

>>27327 >medical software is infamous for having terrible code Is it the same with engineering software? I swear, old school engineers are just such terrible programmers with literally zero idea on many uniformly agreed concepts of UI or control. >Undo? Who needs something like that in a calculation software prone to mistakes? Just save, quit and restart bro!

I worked for a friend and it was the worst job of my life. My work was never good enough.

>>27272 There are plenty of male dominated fields were men work 14 hours or more and ruin their backs, legs, arms, get hearing damage, cancer, breathing issues etc.

>>27381 Don't you want to become invalid and permanently handicapped for your job? What a sissy. Imagine not doing early for your employer.

>>27325 There is at least one user in the world who would break an interactive Hello World

Mine was teaching a government-funded art program for delinquent/homeless teenagers, whole thing was a pointless expensive joke. Kids had to maintain a 80% attendance rate or risk losing social benefits they receive, none of those poor fuckers actually owned a computer so they couldn't use blender/maya at home like they were being instructed to, and out of 20 students only 3 made it through the whole program for the sad "animation showcase" they rented a whole movie theatre out for ᵕ᷄≀ ̠ᵕ᷅

>>27487 That sounds quite sad, tbh. Poor kids were victim of some bureaucrat that did a shitty job planning this. I hope they weren't too disheartened.

>>27487 Yeah there's similar bullshit in Germany. The system punishes immigrants who want to work, extremely overcomplicating the process, and rewards immigrants who don't (dealing with them is too much efford). If they want to work but are completely incompetent and can't speak a word, they are just stuck in random jobs to get rid of them (qualified but searching people AREN'T put in random jobs). So basically every second tram driver isn't fit for the job and the amount of accidents is rising in my city.

>>27314 > but the boss told Bernd at 3pm in the afternoon on Friday that Bernd better set everything up for monday... Oh mine was worse. He'd tell you when he leaves work, which was usually 1 hour earlier than everyone else.

>>27375 Depends. Civil Engineering is often literally excel sheets for load calculations. It's actually not so bad, just tedious. CAD often has terrible UX but at least they're allowed to fix things. It's just a hard problem to make a good CAD UI.

>>27544 >UX Please don't use retard language

>>27545 What's retarded about that language?

>>27547 >beating a police man. What a chad.

>>27546 It's the same kind of nuspeak that brought us "app", "content", etc. If you use that kind of terminology you publicly accept what corpo is feeding you, thus further legitimizing the enshittification of every aspect of everything.

>>27550 Honestly, I hate corpo bullshit as much as the next guy, but UX is one of the few good things. Back when I started using the interwebs, many programs were done by a neckbeard in his basement who didn't care about users at all. He had his autistic idea of what to place where, how one MUST use his program etc. Now, with engineers for UI and UX, things generally work better. It even reached the freetard community: >>27496 Compare the new with the old installer. And the old installer looks very nice compared with the shit we had in the 90's and early 2000's.

>>27551 But why call it UX then? What is the difference between UI and UX, except for the latter being a fancy new word the same corpo bullshit jobbers invented to justify their bullshit jobs?

Man that Smurfette is too distracting. ##I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH SMURFETTE##

>>27555 Ahem, sorry, I made a mistake: I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH SMURFETTE

>>27553 UI is just what it looks like, UX is how it's structured etc. You can have a terrible experience with a beautiful interface.

>>27561 But usability is a key part of the User Interface. If it's not usable it's a shit User Interface, and it's been like that ever since before the first asshole came up with "UX". "UX" is just more specializing for bullshit jobs that should be done in one place in the first place. Having armies of singletaskers is a recipe for disaster, especially when you compartmentalize even small companies so hard that departments don't communicate with each other anymore.

>>27563 I think it makes sense to separate the graphics from the structure and things like "how many buttons do you have to press for what function". Separating the work doesn't mean that a person can only do one thing. As a developer/designer you can draw pretty icons in the morning and think about where to place them and which of these icons to have always visible or hidden in a submenu in the afternoon.

>>27556 What the fuck are Bernd conversations? I’m not reading 90 replies to see how we got here.

>>27325 They'd bring their laptops in "to fix it, because something ain't right". Turns out they've installed "their own version of Windows" whilst on vacation so their kid could play on it during the flight. They then tried to "fix it themselves" turns out they couldn't be bothered so they dropped it off for me and I had to do it. Or things like: "I need this USB stick fixed" -- why -- "because it has my dissertation on it, and my computer I wrote it on doesn't boot anymore" -- don't you have a backup? -- "what do you mean? The USB-Stick *is* my backup! But now it doesn't work when I plug it in!" -- don't you have any other backups like on our network or similar? -- "No, I thought using USB sticks was more secure than using the Internet". Or: "Bernd, I forgot my laptop on the train yesterday, but it wasn't powered down and the hard drive's encryption is unlocked. I should inform you, that I had a `password.txt` on my desktop..." -- Ok. Fuck. Which passwords were those? -- "all that I've used for every service" -- Riiight. Do you remember which services besides our own did you use for work? -- "No... I just know DHL was one of them".

>>27324 Yes, all hours, even the ones on the weekend were on the clock. The problem was rather that I was expected to be available 24/7 "in case something bad happens" which never really did, but it was abused by my boss pretty often for things like: "I accidentally printed my document 500 times, now the printer is out of paper and probably toner. Can you get to the office real quick and fix it? I'll be in at 7:00 am tomorrow, I need it fixed by then. I still have a lot to print..." Mind you this was at around 10pm, when he sent me the message...

>>27063 I think the job also required them being single but I’m not sure anymore

>>27589 That's what reply chains are for, newfriend.

>>27545 >>27550 nonprofessional obinion disgarded :DD

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>>27563 UX is about what the buttons do, not what they look like. For example if you have to do five clicks for something that would be possible with two, that's bad UX. When yt-dlp implements another workaround for youtube blocking downloaders and it's simply an option that says "import cookies from firefox, don't worry I can handle the rest", that's good UX.

>>27563 Also at my shop, UI and UX is done by the same people. It's just a distinction they use in their daily life because it's a useful one. So you're just entirely missing the point.

>>27792 >It's just a distinction they use in their daily life because it's a useful one. Still not convinced. Usability considerations have existed before the term, but the term is exclusively used by people who think FLAT look good and having to navigate through a million sub-items because everything needs to be "optimized" for mobile shit (even thought the application itself is not for mobile) is good "UX". Maybe if it weren't so burnt by third-party web-based "apps" and whatever Microsoft is doing (recently had to change to "new" Outlook and it's the worst piece of shit "UX" I have ever encountered), I would be more positive towards it.

>>27042 all of these weird assembly line jobs are absolutely crazy. i remember how much i liked kids educational tv about how stuff like pencils or brushes or toothpaste is made, and so many of these 80s and 90s factories had people doing the most mundane bullshit over and over again, some of them for their whole life. take a bunch of hair, put it in the metal casing for the paintbrush, the machine presses everything together, repeat. every day, all day. i really hope that all of the people working shit like this are so goddamn autistic that thay really enjoy doing the one thing over and over again without change. >they'd all fall off the conveyors and go all over the floor and there'd be hundreds of € of pure waste every single day but no one seemed to care. i really guess its cheaper to just throw away so much meat than to construct something for the belt that keeps them on.

I did kind of an internship for a week at a crematorium, to try and see if this was for me. Didnt show up after three days. Everything was so grotesque. The system works with conveyor belts, so you have several halls where the casket is lain out, and when the ceremony is over, it just gets driven by the belt through a small door and in some kind of waiting line. The belt system was super old and didnt work well, so sometimes caskets would stick out at the sides and get stuck at corners or something, and every day at some point a casket rush hour started and several caskets would get stuck behind each other. One time, one of them even fell of. It didnt open, but we needed three people to lift it up the belt again. When caskets are burned, there is always some ash and bones from other people mixed into it. You need to fill everything from the oven into some kind of mill where the bones get ground. Everything smells horrible, your coworkers are the most insane bunch of middle-aged cynics, it doesnt pay good, the bodies of people are just annoying pieces of material after a few days.

>>27854 > to try and see if this was for me. You considered getting a career in people burning or what?

>>27855 not a career, just some job where i didnt have to think as much.

>>27856 And what the job that had you thinking much?

>>27854 Interesting, I knew about the grounding but not the stench

>>27854 Your story sounds like an intro to Mika Kaurismäki's movie.

>>27915 Kek.

My first job. It was at steel stamping place and it was just running sheets of metal through a big press and packaging the pieces. It ran by itself mostly so there was a lot of standing doing nothing and listening to the thump thump thump noise for 8-10 hours. It was mind-numbing. They taught the new guy how to drive a forklift and not me. I should've sued for anti-bernd discrimination.

>>27927 Keywords: Forklift, Bernd.

>>27856 I literally quit a similar job yesterday. My schizoid personality just wants a job with little to no (living) human contact that sort of pays well. For similar reasons like yours I didn't show up second day. My colleagues kept talking and wanting to socialize plus the stench remained in my throat, I could smell it hours after my shift ended.